Centering Allies to Protect Nazis

Centering

When we talked about Germany becoming Nazi now, you interrupted, saying that France is also bad. You had a trauma response.

l've observed this trauma response while discussing this topic--Germany being bad because they were the Nazis-- from yt French people and yt Americans (yt means "white"). Everyone l observed acted like this:

1. l start to talk about -Germany being bad because they were the Nazis-
2. you and the others interrupt to emphasized your own countries respectively,
3. your reaction confused me, distracting me from describing -Germany being bad because they were the Nazis-.

It was like you verbally made France take a bullet for Nazis.
Your trauma response interrupted my message.
Having observed this being repeated exactly the same way by multiple people, l know for sure it's an engineered response.

We have to stay on topic about Nazis symbolism being a dog whistle to rally fascists. Everybody has to stop fascism.
France was Vichy, not Nazi, this is an important distinction. France is simply not a symbol of hate. Nazi Germany is a symbol of hate.

l didn't understand why people did that, until l read about how yt guilt centers yt. Now l understand that people were reflexively centering their own country, or yt racial identity even as they were trying to reject it.
l'm not yt so l didn't have the same response and l didn't get it.
l have some training suggestions: This organization offers workshops about White Accountability and other topics. l don't know if they offer written material.

https://www.cswac.org

Regarding your response:

The fact that you have no memory of the interruption further confirms that it is indeed a trauma conditioned response. l am/ was not angry at you. Like l said, l have seen this before and can identify it.

Trauma conditioning is something that segments within the US government had extensively invested in and researched, sometimes across generations of specific families. You can research a bit about the MKUltra mind control program. It was a secret program that some people in the CIA was running, and its existence was revealed by presidential executive order in 1975; the CIA operatives were still trying to completely destroy the evidence. It reads like a 'conspiracy theory'. It is historical fact. The CIA brought Nazi scientists over after WW2 and the program began during the Eisenhower administration. There is no reason to think that it ever stopped.

l just experieced another instance of this trauma conditioned response today in Belgium. The person l was talking to is a cis man with ADHD who is in his late 30s. l spoke to him about One Piece being counter-insurgency as well as propaganda. The counterinsurgency aspect is training kids/ people to self incriminate. The trauma response came up when l discussed One Piece flipping the script on Japan's atrocities during WW2. In the previous story arc, the Wano Kuni Arc, the story illustrates a foreign monster, who looks Mongolian or otherwise north east Asian, a blue dragon that rules Wano Kuni (kuni means country), which is obviously Japan. The foreign (east Asian) ruler installs chemical weapon factories, where they produce artificial devil fruits for an illegal trade, and the products do horrific things to the population. Japan developed chemical weapons and conducted heinous live human experiments on subjects, including pregnant women and babies, in the countries that they invaded around east Asia during WW2. The story arc flipped the script on WW2.

The person l spoke to then said, "The US also commits atrocities, and the UK and France..."

l might have agreed that those guys also are dicks at some point, because they are, but that is derailing my own point. Now that l can recognize the response for what it is, l said, "The point is that they are flipping the script on atrocities that Japan committed. It is never OK."
When l said this, he retracted and agreed it's not OK.

l also discussed this as a trauma conditioned response with him on a different occasion and about white accountability training. He also discussed feeling guilt over people in his family having been in the Congo.

The point is that people, like yourself, are trauma conditioned to derail conversations about atrocities. It's not something you all can undo/ solve by your own selves.

This is where white accountability comes in.

When l observed you, the guy in Brussels, and an American woman l knew respond this way to discussion about atrocities, l notice that you all have conscience about the atrocities of WW2 Allies. Many people in our countries do not. Guilt is something that, for the Judeo Christian cultures, there is no remedy for. One can only repent and say you are sinners and go on and on about sins. Accountability, on the other hand, means recognizing the harm, understanding the harm, and taking steps to address the harm in order to make the world better now.

l have more observations about the trauma conditioned response, but l will discuss it another time. For now, understand that you and other people have buttons installed in you that trigger you to do things. We have to be able to speak about atrocities in order to address what to do about them. Derailment of those conversations is desirable for some, and they have traumatized the population to work against itself. If you notice others also give this trauma conditioned response, you can discuss it with them when possible.